tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-275460775475418986.post4422336892457089583..comments2023-10-30T14:45:57.274+00:00Comments on Rabid About Beer: Time to Grow Up?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-275460775475418986.post-54211289381691675972014-11-06T18:12:58.747+00:002014-11-06T18:12:58.747+00:00This rubbish is typical of much outpouring from th...This rubbish is typical of much outpouring from the beer and pub sector altogether, male dominated, oafish, ignorant out of touch celebrating laddishness. The Fosters lager ads. Wonderful.<br /><br />Mind you cider has been getting its act together recently. J Mark Doddshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11800542445712331202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-275460775475418986.post-6828724380102174152014-10-22T12:41:23.960+01:002014-10-22T12:41:23.960+01:00The whole country needs to grow up, and wake up. T...The whole country needs to grow up, and wake up. The Scottish referendum said a lot about England. Britain is sleepwalking.J Mark Doddshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11800542445712331202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-275460775475418986.post-35223162694831119682014-10-21T17:40:58.113+01:002014-10-21T17:40:58.113+01:00The reason to use such broad brush strokes is to t...The reason to use such broad brush strokes is to try and make the organisation as a whole start changing their stance from within. <br /><br />Branches may well be run by fuckwits but it's up to CAMRA as an organisation to make sure they don't bring it's name into disrepute.<br /><br />As i've said i'll never be a CAMRA member but it doesn't stop me from being annoyed than an organisation that has done such good things in the past cannot change or get rid of a few individuals giving it a bad name now.rabidbarflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02287790634237896071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-275460775475418986.post-70638438864543020572014-10-21T16:31:06.140+01:002014-10-21T16:31:06.140+01:00You can't use such broad brush strokes and say...You can't use such broad brush strokes and say these things are representative of CAMRA as a whole. There are unsavoury elements in most organisations, as a former TU Rep I was frequently surprised at the racism, sexism and downright intolerance displayed by some of my comrades. And yes I did challenge them on it. As for the leaflet I would say look to the NE member with responsibility. <br />And some branches are run by fuckwits.ABrewHaHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03380577738378902797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-275460775475418986.post-13010393662292814072014-10-21T14:47:23.395+01:002014-10-21T14:47:23.395+01:00I think you're probably right, Zak.I think you're probably right, Zak.rabidbarflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02287790634237896071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-275460775475418986.post-41490746675300369132014-10-21T13:19:15.698+01:002014-10-21T13:19:15.698+01:00I think that these two things, and the objections ...I think that these two things, and the objections to them, are pretty representative of the country as a whole, to be honest. Zak Averyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10650929798289995172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-275460775475418986.post-27563197637992571012014-10-21T12:57:25.358+01:002014-10-21T12:57:25.358+01:00isn't that 3rd paragraph a bit ageist...? ;-) ...isn't that 3rd paragraph a bit ageist...? ;-) very good points, well made, Cookie!rabidbarflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02287790634237896071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-275460775475418986.post-89785537625007148342014-10-21T12:53:05.683+01:002014-10-21T12:53:05.683+01:00I think what you have here is a dichotomy. In exhi...I think what you have here is a dichotomy. In exhibit one you have an organisation lacking in confidence and trusting professional consultants before its own members and making an error. Answer, trust the members!<br /><br />In the latter you have an autonomous regional branch causing offence through racist ignorance. Answer, don’t trust the members, and force an edict from above telling what to do!<br /><br />Difficult choice. If you want to promote the ale to old and young, black and white, men and women, gay and straight, you’ve gotta avoid songs about bongo bongo land I would reckon. I would suspect that went without saying? However the CAMRA volunteers are just that, unpaid volunteers. You can’t send orders down to them and still expect them to dutifully work for nowt. You have to trust them not to be so stupid.<br /><br />As to why they are stupid in this instance. I’m not going to accuse all old people of being racist but in my observation racism is seen as a greater evil and offence among the young than the old. An organisation of old white men might make the mistake of not condemning a racist act with the vigour modern morality thinks it should. In this case they even defended such an act. No confusion there then. They like songs about bongo bongo land in that beardy branch. Jesus wept.<br /><br />In the former instance, CAMRA withdrew the leaflet. Not a bad response but too little too late. A firmer apology and acknowledgement of error would have resulted in better PR. In the latter instance I suspect there is a case for HQ to sanction a branch for putting on racist acts and chuck those members out. Why those people are still there defending it is anyone’s guess. Makes a mockery of a volunteer’s charters promising respect to all.<br /><br />It’s not an advert to join and become the future of beardy ale appreciation, eh?<br />Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.com